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Admiral / Vine Theatre

6321 Hollywood Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028  | map |

A 1966 bus windshield view looking east on Hollywood Blvd. with the theatre at the time called Rector's Admiral. They're running an MGM revival package that was out that year. On the marquee: "Sweethearts" and "The Merry Widow." Oh, that's the Pantages down the street on the left. Thanks to The Kingsley Collection for the photo. It appears in their album Classic Los Angeles which features photos from the estate of Barbara Harlen. Among other places, the photo has also been seen in a cropped version on Photos of Los Angeles as a post of Bill Gabel.

Opened: May 16, 1940 as the Admiral. It was originally a restaurant before the remodel into a theatre. The opening films were "His Majesty's Mistress" with Danielle Darrieux and John Loder along with "Torpedoed" starring H.B. Warner.


Architect: S. Charles Lee did the 1940 conversion into a theatre.

A preliminary facade sketch that appears on Calisphere from the S. Charles Lee Papers Collection at the Department of Special Collections, Charles E. Young Research Library, UCLA.

A section by Mr. Lee showing the proscenium and auditorium back wall. It's a detail from a larger drawing in the S. Charles Lee Papers Collection.

Seating: 603 after the 1969 renovations. The Dolby renovations of 2014 took it down to 70 seats.

Noir City Dame in her Noirish Los Angeles post #19591 traces the use of the building as a restaurant. In 1933 it was Henry's Restaurant. In March 1934 Henry was out and it reopened as Perry's Brass Rail, Perry having moved from three doors to the west. By late 1936 it had become the Weiss Cafe. 

The L.A. Times issue of May 17, 1940 reported the opening of the theatre:

Thanks to Noir City Dame for finding the article.

A 1941 ad for the Admiral.

In the 50s and 60s the theatre was known as Rector's Admiral. Bruce Kimmel notes that he visited:

"Funnily, I was only in that theater once. I was obsessed with 'North by Northwest' back when it came out - saw at the Wiltern several times originally, then followed it around town. It played the Admiral in December of 1959, right around Christmas. I took a bus up to Hollywood to see it, but oh dear what a horrid little theater it was. I don't know that I'd ever been in such a weird theater before."

At the end it played mostly revivals and sub-runs. Trans-Beacon gave it a $200,000 remodel in 1969 and re-named it the Vine Theatre. Joe Masher notes that Trans-Beacon was a partnership between the Forman family (Pacific Theatres) and New York's B.S. Moss circuit, now Bow Tie Cinemas.

Work included a greater height lobby area (with new lobby decor), redone boxoffice area, new seating, new booth equipment, redesigned rear exit scheme, a bigger screen and new auditorium decor (mostly drapes). The remodel was profiled in the May 19, 1969 issue of Boxoffice.

Pacific Theatres later acquired the theatre and operated it for years (with a yet another remodel in the 70's) as both a Spanish language house and a $2 grindhouse. At the end it was a sad independent operation with $7 double features. After 70 years of operation (with a few breaks) the Vine closed as a regular film theatre in October 2007.

The Vine then was a rental house for a few years for various downmarket events and private screenings. The marquee's semi-permanent copy usually touted the theatre's 35mm and digital projection capabilities. In June 2009 it had a fling as the home of the Laserium. The L.A. Times had the story. Evidently the Laserium folks couldn't make a go of it. A January 2010 story detailed the defeat.

Status: Dolby leased the Vine in late 2013 and the theatre was gutted down to the bare walls in 2014. It was rebuilt as a private demonstration showcase for their Dolby Vision process, featuring laser-based projection. They're working with Christie on the equipment.

SF Gate had a May 2015 story by Benny Evangelista about the company's new technologies, "Dolby hopes to lure movie fans back with theater of the future," that included photos of both the Vine and the Dolby Theatre.

Hollywood Reporter had a December 2014 story about a demo at the theatre: "Sensory Assault: Dolby Takes on IMAX with Mega-Theatre Rival." Digital Trend ran a December story about the process: "Dolby Looks to Outdo IMAX..."

The Admiral/Vine Theatre in the Movies:

The Admiral gets a shot in Robert Wise's "I Want To Live" with Susan Hayward (United Artists, 1958). Thanks to GS Jansen for posting the screenshot on his Noirish Los Angeles post #23572. We're looking west from Hollywood & Vine toward the Warner. The theatre is playing "Saratoga Trunk" (1945) with Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman along with "The Square Jungle" (1955) with Tony Curtis and Ernest Borgnine.

We get the same shot repeated in Joseph Newman's "The George Raft Story" (Allied Artists, 1961) with Ray Danton, Jayne Mansfield and Julie London. For the purposes of "Raft" the towers of the Warner in the distance with the neon saying "Cinerama" are a bit of an anachronism. Thanks to Kliph Nesteroff for the screenshot this time, posted on the Facebook page Vintage Los Angeles.


Terri Garr decides to dance as she waits for the bus at a stop just west of Rector's Admiral in "Where's the Bus?," a five minute film by John Harris from 1966. It can be seen on YouTube. Thanks to Jonathan Raines for spotting a post about it.

We get a fine tour of Los Angeles in Jacques Deray's "The Outside Man" (United Artists, 1973). Here we get a bit of the Vine's marquee advertising "Nicholas and Alexandra" and the vertical of the Pix scintillating in the distance as Jean-Louis Trintignant picks up a hitchhiker. The film also stars Roy Scheider as another hit man and Ann-Margret as the former owner of a bar who gets caught in the middle of the mess. See the Historic L.A. Theatres in Movies post for another distance view of the Pix plus a shot of the Cinematheque 16 on Sunset.  

The Vine's signage gets a quick cameo during a musical number in "The First Nudie Musical" (Paramount, 1976). The book, music, and lyrics for the movie are by Bruce Kimmel. See the Historic L.A. Theatres in Movies post for sixteen more shots from the film including more views of Hollywood marquees and a look at the lobby of the Fox Venice.

"Go see what's playing at the Vine" her father said. So Elle Fanning risks a jaywalking ticket while he has a tryst in "Low Down" (Oscilloscope Labs, 2015). She's the daughter of troubled jazz pianist Joe Albany, played by John Hawkes. It's 1974 and the cashier won't let her in to see "Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song" due to its X rating. Thanks to Royce Mathew for the screenshot.

In "Keanu" (Warner/Fine Line, 2016) we take a drive to the Hollywood Hills for a drug delivery after our two stars, Jordan Peele and Keegan-Michael Key, get involved with a gang in an attempt to get back a stolen cat. On the far left is the dark marquee of the Vine with the Pantages in the distance. In "Keanu" we also see the Palace Theatre, the Los Angeles Theatre and the Cinerama Dome. See the Theatres In Movies post for more shots from the film.

The Vine is seen in Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" (Sony, 2019). The film stars Leo DiCaprio and his friend Brad Pitt as an actor and stuntman trying to find work in the business in 1969. The Manson murder case also figures into the plot as the guys live next door to Sharon Tate, played by Margot Robbie. See the Historic L.A. Theatres in Movies pages for more shots of the shoot at the Vine as well as lots of action at the Cinerama Dome, Earl Carroll, Vogue, Pussycat/Ritz, Fox Westwood, Bruin, and Pantages theatres.

Interior views:

The interior of the building as Henry's Restaurant before its conversion to a theatre.  The card appears as part of Mr. Ethereal Reality's Noirish Los Angeles post #20899 and was a find by him on eBay.

The Vine's auditorium after the 1969 remodel. The photo apeared in the May 19, 1969 issue of Boxoffice. The photo is also on Cinema Treasures, added by Bill Gabel.

The outer lobby showing the results of the 2014 Dolby renovations. Hollywood Blvd. is off to the left. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

Looking in toward the effects wall. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

The effects wall. Dolby's idea for their Dolby Vision Theatre is to have a long entrance corridor to act as a transition from the outside world. It's a photo by David Walter Banks that appeared with a May 2015 SF Gate story by Benny Evangelista "Dolby hopes to lure movie fans back..." that included photos of both the Vine and the Dolby Theatre. They commented: "Instead of a traditional lobby, the entrance to the auditorium is a dark, curved corridor. Projectors cast a floor-to-ceiling video the length of the corridor, with accompanying Atmos sound."

Another look at the effects wall. It's done with multiple projectors overhead. You follow it around to either side for the auditorium entrances. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

 The house left corridor into the auditorium. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

A view from house left. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

A detail of a corner of the floating screen. No masking. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

A 2015 photo by David Walter Banks appearing with the SF Gate article. They commented: "The seats and wall coverings are made of materials in flat black to eliminate light reflecting from the screen. The speakers are hidden behind faceted panels, smaller in the back and larger toward the front, to help focus the viewer’s attention to the screen."

The rear of the Vine's re-configured auditorium. It's a 2015 photo by David Walter Banks for SF Gate.

Another look to the rear of the house. Photo: Bill Counter - 2018

More exterior views:

c.1930 - Thanks to Noirish Los Angeles researcher Noir City Dame for this view of the building that would become the Admiral Theatre after S. Charles Lee got to it. The photo appears in her Noirish Los Angeles post # 19591
Ms. City Dame does a fine job of tracing the building through several restaurant uses after it was Henry's. It became Perry's Brass Rail in March 1934. By Christmas Eve 1936 it had become The Weiss Café.  
Her research determined that the building on the right was redone by R.M. Schindler for Eddie Brandstatter and opened as Sardi's in January 1933. The L.A. Times covered a fire at Sardi's in their October 2, 1936 issue. It was rebuilt and ran until 1945 when it reopened in August as Chi Chi's. In June 1947 it was Sardi's Chi Chi and by October just Sardi's again. Fixtures were auctioned in June 1948 after which the premises were rebranded as Eddie's.

c.1931 - A view of Henry's restaurant taken by the General Photographic Agency. Note the glimpse of an added roof sign as well as an arrow of light bulbs pointing down to the entrance. It's a shot that's now in the Getty Images collection. Thanks to Torbjörn Eriksson for locating it for a post on the Southern California Nostalgia Facebook page. He notes that the venture was financed by Charlie Chaplin and that the operator was Henry Bergman.

c.1932 - Looking east across Vine St. toward the Pantages. Henry's restaurant is in the lower left. The photo is in the Los Angeles Public Library collection

c.1937 - A Herman Schultheis view across toward where the Admiral Theatre would soon be. It's still a restaurant at this point. It's a Los Angeles Public Library photo. Note the little Santas atop the Christmas trees.

1940 - A pre-opening photo by Julius Shulman from the UCLA S. Charles Lee Papers collection appearing on Calisphere

c.1942 - A lovely shot taken across the street from the Admiral with its marquee reflected in the window. The photo was on the site Shorpy in September 2015. Thanks to Michael Moran spotting it and posting on Photos of Los Angeles.

Bruce Kimmel comments: "Got the top-billed feature - 'Last of the Duanes' starring George Montgomery. That film came out in September of 1941 and would have hit second and third run theaters like the Admiral a few months later." The second feature looks like it might be Lloyd Nolan in "Buy Me That Town," an October 1941 release.

1942 - This view is in the great Bruce Torrence Historic Hollywood Photographs collection. On the marquee: "Hellzapoppin" and "Saboteur." It's their item # T-002-1. The collection, of course, has many more Hollywood theatre photos to browse.

1942 - This detail from the photo above appears on page 67 of the 2008 Arcadia Publishing book "Theatres in Los Angeles" by Suzanne Tarbell Cooper, Amy Ronnebeck Hall and Marc Wanamaker. Most of the rare photos in the book are from Marc Wanamaker's Bison Archives. Google Books has a preview of the book to browse.


1942 - Santa at the Admiral. This revival double bill played one week beginning November 26. "You Can't Get Away With Murder" with Humphrey Bogart and "Three Musketeers" with Don Ameche and the Ritz Brothers were both 1939 releases.
Thanks to Johnny Wareham on the Facebook page Vintage Los Angeles for this photo from an album belonging to his mother, who noted "The little arrow [upper right] is pointing to where I worked during Xmas. Just up the street a little ways from the Taft building, still on Hollywood Blvd., is the 'Hitching Post.' Straight up from the theater, about 3 doors is 'Melody Lane' a quite well known restaurant."

1944 - A view including part of the theatre's marquee that appeared on the blog The Black Dahlia in Hollywood. The shot is featured in Ethereal Reality's Noirish Los Angeles post #3988. Bruce Kimmel did the research: "As always, the Admiral was very late to the party - This is sometime around July 18, 1944. 'Footlight Serenade' came out in 1942 and 'Dark Command,' the second feature (Walter Pidgeon, John Wayne, Claire Trevor), was 1940. I want to go to Sardi's, don't you?"

c.1945 - A view looking east toward Hollywood & Vine. Thanks to Dann Pryce for locating the shot for a post on the Facebook page Vintage Los Angeles
c.1945 - A detail from the previous photo. It appears that the Admiral may have been running "Once Upon a Honeymoon," a 1943 release with Cary Grant and Ginger Rogers along with "Happy Go Lucky" starring Eddie Bracken, Betty Hutton, Rudy Vallee and Mary Martin.

c.1946 - Here we're looking east along Hollywood Blvd. -- you can see a sliver of the Pantages vertical on the left. The main feature at the Admiral this week was "Razor's Edge" with Gene Tierney and Tyrone Power. The photo came from Tom Wetzel's now-vanished site Uncanny, a lovely exposition about L.A. transit history.

1946 - A Christmas view looking west at one of the most photographed corners in the city, Hollywood and Vine. The Admiral marquee is glowing brightly in the middle of the image. The uncredited photo is in the Los Angeles Public Library collection. It also appears as part of the lovely Noirish Los Angeles post #2330 by GS Jansen featuring several other Hollywood Blvd. Christmas shots by the same photographer.

1947 - A busy Frasher Foto Card looking west on Hollywood Blvd. across Vine with the Admiral Theatre in the center. It appears on Calisphere from the Pomona Public Library collection. The photo also appears on Vintage Los Angeles and, as well, is part of Ethereal Reality's Noirish Los Angeles post #5198, a fun photo survey of the use of banners across L.A.'s streets.

- Well it's a nice look at the newstand. Thanks to Mr. Ethereal Reality for the tourist snapshot from eBay, included in his Noirish Los Angeles post #34180. Our theatre is lurking across the street. 

1948 - Looking west through Hollywood and Vine in a December photo by Arnold Hylen. It comes to us courtesy of his grand niece Greta Gustafsson. Pay a visit to the Facebook page Greta curates: Arnold Hylen - Los Angeles Images of an Era 1850 - 1950.

c.1950 - A photo by Ralph Morris looking east on Hollywood Blvd. Below us is the Admiral Theatre with Vine St. and the Pantages beyond. It's in the Los Angeles Public Library collection.

1952 - A glimpse of the theatre's facade during the Christmas parade as it's being broadcast by KTLA. Thanks to Ken McIntyre for spotting the photo in the Arcadia book "Location Filming in Los Angeles" by Marc Wanamaker, Karie Bible and Harry Medved. The Admiral, in a revival phase, was running "The Long Voyage Home" (1940) and "Barbary Coast" (1935).

early 1950s- A rainy Christmas season view looking east toward Vine St. The Admiral Theatre marquee is peeking out on the left. Thanks to Sean Ault, a noted historian of transit in the Los Angeles area, for the photo.

1953 - A November look at a slice of the Admiral. It's part of Beaudry's fine Noirish Los Angeles post #28689 featuring photos from the book "LAPD '53" (Abrams) by James Ellroy and L.A. Police Museum executive director Glynn Martin. Also see the Los Angeles magazine article about the book: "James Ellroy and Glynn Martin Revisit the LAPD's Grim Archives..."

1954 - The Admiral is beyond Red Car 1548 in this September photo. They were running "Ruby Gentry," a December 1952 release with Jennifer Jones and Charlton Heston. The co-feature was "Let's Do It Again" with Jane Wyman and Ray Milland, out in July 1953. Thanks to Sean Ault for sharing the photo from his collection. 

1954 - A detail from Sean's September photo. That was the last month for Red Car service on the Hollywood line.

1954 - A sweet December view of the theatre's marquee in the center of the image as we look west. The Warner is down the street. The Admiral was running "The Wild One," a February release with Brando along with "My Forbidden Past," a 1951 release with Robert Mitchum and Ava Gardner. Thanks to Richard Wojcik for the postcard from his collection, appearing on Vintage Los Angeles

The card has also been seen in various versions on the So Cal Historic Architecture Facebook page, on Gaylord Wilshire's Noirish Los Angeles post #9302, on Photos of Los Angeles and in Elizabeth Fuller's Old Los Angeles Postcards collection on Flickr.

Elizabeth gives us what is on the back of the one she has, mailed in January 1958: "Famous intersection in the heart of the entertainment capital of the world. Motion Picture Studios, Broadcasting Studios, Famous hotels and restaurants are nearby. Here, a visitor to the southland may by chance catch a glimpse of his favorite celebrity." "Greetings: We are having a wonderful time out here. It is sunny and warm - 79 degrees today. Fine places to see and go to - we are starting back this week. We'll see you soon I hope. Lillian Art"

1954 - Another view of the Admiral running "The Wild One" and "My Forbidden Past." The banner says "New Wide Screen." Thanks to Richard Wojcik for sharing the photo from his collection.  
1954 - A look to the east during the engagement of "The Wild One" and "My Forbidden Past." Thanks to Sean Ault for sharing this image from his collection. It's half of a stereo pair. 

1955 - A view east with the Admiral running "Hell Below Zero" with Alan Ladd, a July 1954 release. Thanks to Sean Ault for locating the photo. Bruce Kimmel notes: "Week of February 23. 'Hell Below Zero' finally makes it to the Admiral about eight months after the fact. Second feature is 'Clash by Night.'" 

1957 - The Admiral in running "The Searchers" and "Francis In The Navy." It's from Getty Images stock footage that can be seen as "Hollywood Blvd. 1956 Vintage Los Angeles," a one minute+ clip on YouTube from Alison Martino. The same footage appears on YouTube as a separate post from Alison titled "Hollywood Blvd. Part 3 - 1956." 

More of the Getty Images footage shot at the same time can be seen in "Hollywood Blvd. 1956," four minutes of lovely clips on YouTube from Craiglaca1. Thanks to Donavan S. Moye for this screenshot, taken from an appearance of the footage in the 2019 Showtime documentary "Sid & Judy." Bruce Kimmel notes that this program ran at the Admiral the week of March 17, 1957

1957 - Another time around the block in the Getty footage allows a better look at the boxoffice. This shot is from the footage that's included in Rick Prelinger's "Lost Landscapes of Los Angeles - 2016," an hour and twenty minutes of wonderful images from various sources that was originally presented in a program at the Los Angeles Public Library. Also see "Lost Landscapes of Los Angeles - 2019." This second installment was presented at the Library by the organization Photo Friends as part of the series L.A. in Focus. Both compilations are on Vimeo.   

1957 - Looking east toward the Vine and Pantages in another March view from the Getty footage in Rick Prelinger's "Lost Landscapes of Los Angeles - 2016." 

1958 - Looking east on Hollywood Blvd. with Rector's Admiral running "I Want To Live" with Susan Hayward. The 2nd big feature is "The Long, Long Trailer" (1953) with Lucy and Desi. It's another find by devoted theatre sleuth Sean Ault.

c.1960 - Well, it's hard to see much of the Admiral Theatre in this postcard view but it's there on the right as we look west on Hollywood Blvd. This was a post of Douglas Rudd on Photos of Los Angeles.

1963 - Looking west from Hollywood and Vine in August. The photo was submitted to Shorpy by "Tterrace," who said he's that guy visiting the big city. The Admiral was running a reissue of "Auntie Mame" from 1958 plus "The Day They Robbed The Bank of England," a 1960 release. Thanks to Phillip Cutler for giving a nudge to get this one included by posting it on the Los Angeles Theatres Facebook page. Visit Phillip's page devoted to Classic Hollywood/Los Angeles/SFV. In a post on the Mid-Century in Color Facebook page Paul Penna says he's the guy in the photo and it was taken by his brother. 

c.1964 - The view west on Hollywood Blvd. with Rector's Admiral visible on the far left. Thanks to Alison Martino for the photo on Flickr where she also has a nice collection of additional historic L.A. photos. At the theatre that week: Belmondo in "That Man From Rio" (a June 1964 U.S. release) and Deborah Kerr and Gary Cooper in "The Naked Edge," a 1961 release. The photo also appears on Ryan Khatam's Neat Stuff Blog in a 2009 post called "Vintage Los Angeles."

1965 - A look east from Ivar St. with the Admiral on the left. Thanks to Sean Ault for spotting this shot on eBay. The theatre was running "Viva Las Vegas," a May 1964 release with Elvis Presley and Ann-Margret. The second feature was the March 1965 release "The Rounders" with Glenn Ford and Henry Fonda. Bruce Kimmel notes that this program played the week of July 7.

1965 - A "Viva Las Vegas" lobby card and stills are in the poster case. Care for an Orange Julius next door? Or a visit to the Haunted House nightclub in the space that was formerly Sardi's? Later it was the Cave adult theatre and later yet the Deja Vu strip club. We get a bit of the nice green Pantages vertical in the next block and the signage for the Pix in the distance on the right. The photo was another find of Sean Ault on eBay. Thanks!

1966 - A view west with the theatre running "Never Too Late," a November 1965 release with Paul Ford and Connie Stevens along with Billy Wilder's "Irma la Douce," a June 1963 release with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine. Note that the Haunted House is still in business with new and improved signage. Thanks to Sean Ault for sharing the photo from his collection. 

1969 - The Trans-Beacon remodel and rebranding of the Admiral as the Vine was profiled in the May 19 issue of Boxoffice. This view appeared with the article. The photo is also on Cinema Treasures, an addition to the site by prolific contributor Bill Gabel.

1972 - Thanks to the Bruce Torrence Historic Hollywood Photographs collection for this view, their item #T-050-1. Note that the Trans-Beacon initials are off the front of the marquee.  

1973 - They've got "Soylent Green" with Charlton Heston, a May release. Thanks to Sean Ault for finding the photo. 

1970s - A triple bill at the Vine. It's a photo by Kolchak Ans on the Facebook page Photos of Los Angeles.

- The run of "Cruising" brought out the protestors. Thanks to Cinema Treasures contributor Granola for adding it to the site's page on the Vine Theatre.

1981 - Thanks to the now-vanished American Classic Images website for this shot. 

c.2000 - The Vine marquee in its later grind house days. The marquee is tying to tell us that it's two movies for $5. The photo is from Preemo on Flickr. It's also been seen on Photos of Los Angeles.

2007 - "Two Movies Seven Dollars." Photo: Bill Counter

2009 - A look west with the intersection of Hollywood and Vine behind us. Note the towers of the Warner Theatre in the distance. It's a view from Google Maps.

2009 - A Laserium marquee detail from intrepid theatre photographer Hollywood 90038, who has stalked all of Hollywood. It was once on the Cinema Treasures page for the Vine but seems to have vanished from that site.

2010 - Another view of the Vine in its brief Laserium phase. Photo: Bill Counter

2010 - A signage detail. Photo: Bill Counter

2014 - A January look at the Vine with the "For Rent" lettering off the marquee. The Dolby team was at work on a renovation. It's a photo by Andrew Gage that appeared on the page for the Mid Century Modern Facebook group. Thanks to Stephen Russo for spotting it. The marquee design and name date from the 1969 remodel.

2015 - A view from the May SF Gate story by Benny Evangelista "Dolby hopes to lure movie fans back..." It may be all new inside but there were no Dolby upgrades on the exterior -- except a security guard to limit entrance when Dolby has an invitational screening. It's a photo by David Walter Banks.

2020 - A peaceful protest against police violence and racial inequality on June 3. Yes, that's the National Guard standing by. Thanks to Brad Stubbs for his photo, one of 46 in his album "BLM Protest - Hollywood (Day 3)" on Facebook. Also see 40 additional photos from that evening in his "BLM Protest Caravan" album.

More Information: See the Cinema Tour page for more pictures. And there's lots of discussion on the Cinema Treasures page. Sid Avery has a nice 1965 color view of the entrance on MPTV Images. For another look at the block before the theatre existed, see the Dick Whittington 1939 USC view on Photos of Los Angeles.

The owner of the theatre building can be reached at (310) 444-8955.

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  1. What's fascinating about the 1944 photo where the Admiral is playing Footlight Serenade is Sardi's next door - all reports say that it burned down in 1936. So, they left the signage and front intact for eight YEARS???

    1. Well, it certainly doesn't look abandoned in that 1944 shot, does it? In fact, it appears that the doors are open. Could it be that all those reports are wrong?